Episode 5 - Everything Your Need To Know About Hypnobirthing
Rosie Fitzclarence, Registered nurse, Midwife and hypnobirthing practitioner gives us the down-low on hypnobirthing: what is hypnobirthing, how using hypnobirthing can help you to overcome your birthing fears and step into your power as woman and mother.
Episode 5: Hypnobirthing and fear release with Rosie Fitzclarence.
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[00:00:41] ‘We sort of describe it as being a tool kit approach to birth. It really does equip mothers with relaxation techniques and skills for a calm pregnancy and birth.
[00:00:52] Welcome back. Welcome to episode five. I'm really excited to be here today and to be introducing our interviewee, Rosie Fitzclarence. Rosie founded Geelong, born in 2016, which was grown out of the desire to provide quality childbirth, education and maternity support to families in the Geelong region. She is a registered nurse and midwife of over 16 years and hypnobirthing practitioner.
[00:01:17] So I know Rosie through my own experience in my birthing and was lucky enough to have her educate me in the comfort of my own home last year, in preparation for my third birth with Leo, and Rosie's used to me calling on her frequently. I had such a positive experience and that's something that I really desire to share with others to be able to access these amazing resources. And one of the great things about hypnobirthing is that there is a lot of information available online, and especially in our current situation, we can access information and also still courses, whether it be in that sort of more group setting or in a one to one still available online and over Zoom. So we're in such a crazy time at the moment and there is no doubt a lot more stress and a lot more fear around childbirth given that we're in amongst this really unprecedented pandemic of COVID19. And so it was really important to me to be able to provide as much positive information and resources that we can through Mama Matters Podcast. And I really hope that you can take away some great information today on how you can best support yourself through a time of change and how you can still hopefully come out the other end of your birth having had a positive and supportive experience through empowering yourself and also, you know, upskilling your partner as much as possible. I hope you enjoy, ladies.
[00:02:48] So, Rosie, can you start by giving us a little bit of introduction to what hypnobirthing is and I guess what the main premises around the hypnobirthing philosophy are?
[00:03:00] Thanks, Rosie. So hypnobirthing really is just it's a positive childbirth education program for women and their birth partners. The HypnoBirthing Australia course is really just combined some wonderful tools and knowledge in a really quite a comprehensive course.
[00:03:19] And we sort of describe it as being a tool kit approach to birth. So it really does equip mothers with relaxation techniques and skills for a calm pregnancy and birth. And the positive birth program enhances a mother's understanding of pregnancy and birth and helps her overcome any fears and anxieties. So mums learn how to let go of these anxieties. And we actually use a technique that involves some conditioning. So conditioning to release positive birth hormones. And a big one is endorphins. And these are natures wonderful pain relievers. So when it comes to labour and giving birth, you can really utilize these to your advantage.
[00:03:59] Sadly It has been legislated recently, obviously with the COVID19 pandemic that women are only allowed one support person in the birthing room with them. And this does actually include antenatal appointments as well. They're often restricted to just one support person or sometimes I think some hospitals have actually asked them not to bring anyone else in attendance. Yeah, this is pretty full on especially for a first pregnancy. I know by the time I was pregnant the second time around, I forgot to even invite my husband to the ultrasound. But obviously most people I know, they wouldn't forget to invite their partner to the ultrasound even second time around. Yeah. So it's a really, really tough time in Australia. We still are allowing a support person. I think we need to take that sort of positive side of it. But yeah, if you whether you're in a public or private hospital, what sort of support do women have? Do they have the same access to a midwife support in the birthing room in private vs public, in amongst the COVID19 pandemic?
[00:05:08] So presently and we know everything's changing day by day, of course, but presently the midwifery care within the hospitals is still remaining the same.
[00:05:19] There is certainly that precaution in terms of, I suppose, the PPE, the protective attire and equipment that the care providers with the hand hygiene there are absolutely in that antenatal period limiting exposure through, you know, shortening antenatal appointments and certainly inviting only, you know, the real essential people into that space.
[00:05:44] But look, in labour at this point in time, I think now more than ever, mothers need that increased support both physically, emotionally. And yes, maybe there was an additional support person that was planning to be there. And that's a big, big shift for a mother to have to take on, you know, mentally and also the role for the partner as well.
[00:06:05] You know, the birth partner may be faced with now being that primary, that support and now having to quickly look into their own skills and the tools that they have.
[00:06:16] And I think that's a big jump for those couples. I think, some absolutely find that take it in their stride, and for others this can be quite daunting. So that's where I'm really understanding your options and knowing what you can do and bring to your birth environment. So, you know, you feel safe and well supported, but ultimately at this point in time, the midwifery care in labour is the same. So the precautions made through protective wear and really just I suppose all care providers have that increased workload with juggling, you know, patient care, but also ensuring safety, providing that emotional support for families that are maybe experiencing increased worries, anxieties about this time.
[00:07:18] I think it does vary depending on the setting and even at different locations of for each sort of hospital or policies they might have.
[00:07:29] Right. Yes. Yes. Yes. You might need to look at those.
[00:07:34] in the end it does come down to the individual hospital policies and what they're implementing at the time. But really all mothers in labour will have access to a midwife. Mostly in the private setting, an obstetrician is the lead care provider. But there will be also that that midwife in the birth environment as well, for intra-partum care. So certainly in the public, midwives taking up the majority of intra-partum care for mothers and their families. So it is as close to remaining the same, but just with some safety precautions included into this. And really for those non-essential appointments limiting the hours and even some investigations are being altered as well to ensure that the mums and babies are safe.
[00:08:25] And its also obviously about protecting the health care workers and system.
Definitely. Yeah. That's one thing that potentially might help to shift a little bit of the mindset around it is, you know, we do really need to protect. It goes both ways and we need to protect the health care workers as well, so that they can continue to do as many births as possible for as long as possible. Sorry, I can't imagine what it would be like to be pregnant at the moment and I’m sure it’s incredibly scary at this time. That's one of the main reasons I wanted to chat to you because, you know, I've actually done hypnobirthing for all three of my pregnancies and labour's, and just found it just so incredible that I was able to have 3 such amazingly positive births. And the third time around I was when I met you and you came to our house and you was so beautiful and really helped. But the big reason that I wanted to sort of go back and do it that third time was because I'd always done it on my own. Hadn't really involve Paul, my husband and I really wanted him to understand that I needed him to understand, his role to be, you know, what his role was in the birth. And really beautiful thing that hypnobirthing does is it helps sort of really educate and involve the partner. And in the current situation where we maybe have less support or less people that are allowed to attend, the partner really does need to step up to and learn some new skills. And there is the potential, I guess, for, you know, that relationship to be a strengthened the through process. And so, you know, these guys is really about sort of offering as many positive solutions and I guess touchpoints as possible. And yes, it can you perhaps talk to the top 3 techniques that hypnobirthing can offer to help bring a woman into their power through the birthing process?
[00:10:16] There's many ways that hypnobirthing can help, but I suppose number one is creating a really strong positive mindset. And many of the tools that I talk about in my classes are fundamentally doing that. So what I really recommend is for mothers and their birth partners to really immerse themselves in positive birth stories. So that could be listening to podcasts like yours.
[00:10:42] Rosie even Australian Birth Stories. Yeah, they're doing it.
[00:10:53] And it's certainly one of my absolute faves. So yeah, inspiring birth stories, even some positive birth video so that mothers can really see how amazing this event can be.
[00:11:05] You know, birth is a life event, a normal physiological process in the body. And just to reaffirm to them that I can do this is what we're designed to do. That also may involve the use of visualizations or affirmations. So two of our big tools, so affirmations can write them. You can listen to them. You can speak them daily. And eventually through this repetition, it becomes ingrained it this new habit and you're creating these new, strengthened or positive thought patterns. So I really do recommend mothers spend lots of time visualizing their best birth how they want to. And yeah, really cementing that in with these positive affirmations. So, yeah, I'm just coming to trust the process. Everything around everything really that a mother's needs is right there inside her. And she has these inbuilt innate wisdom and the birth instincts to carry her through. So it's just really tapping into that and knowing that it is something that her body's designed to do. I know it's challenging this time. You know, with everything we say you are exposed to through the news with CORONAVIRUS, and cover that in ways that will be splashed up everywhere in front of our faces. So I think, you know, maybe trying to even minimize if we're feeling anxious about that, removing ourselves slightly from the news channels or social media platforms, and directing our sort of preparations towards positive.
[00:12:33] Yeah. And so that's really great. Thank you. And yeah. And then how can I keep my birthing program or the philosophy of hypnobirthing with upskilling a partner and getting them to understand? How they can be the best support person they can be?
[00:12:50] So this is a really big component of the course in Australia. There is a lot of the content is directed towards the birth partner. So, you know, it's very inclusive of everything, every tool and technique. It's there for the birth partner as well. So essentially what the birth partner will learn is really how to use these relaxation techniques. And, you know, that might involve the use of touch through light touch technique or the anchor touch even acupressure. We can encourage a partner to use prompts, particularly a little cheat sheet that can be referred to.
[00:13:24] If their mind goes blank, it can happen.
[00:13:26] Yes. Setting up a really calm birth environment. So the majority of babies are born in hospitals. And I think knowing that you can actually put a few things in place to set up that calm birth environment in your hospital room. I know, you know, when you walk into a clinical environment can be a little bit daunting. So you can adjust that to ensure that it's the mother does feel safe and that hormones can flow optimally. Oxytocin being the big one.
[00:13:54] And if there is any fear or anxieties that minimize through these little changes to the atmosphere, I suppose. Yes.
[00:14:02] And the support person really becomes that sort of advocate for what the mother intentions and wishes. And that's sort of I guess one of the things that I really loved about hypnobirthing was just the education side of things around, I guess, knowing what the options are and knowing that, you know, as the birthing woman, I have the right to ask questions and, you know, to set my desires out. And obviously, you know, birth is very much a fluid situation and things can change. And, you know, at times, intervention is obviously required, but asking the right questions along the way so that you don't feel like anything has been wronged by you. You know, if it ends up that you come to a C-section, that, you know, you still felt like you were involved in that process and that it was the right decision for you at the time rather than being sidelined by it. And I guess feeling like you weren’t forced into a situation that you weren't prepared for mentally.
[00:15:05] Definitely. So, yeah, I really do think it's important for the mother and her partner to thinking about our preferences, how we see at birth. They're doing this together. So as a couple, you can build that solid knowledge base and really understand what your options are. You'll understand what choices are laid out to you. So you can also weigh up the pros and cons and making solid, informed decisions. You know, often we hear stories where birth partners really step into the role of the advocate for the mother and baby and then know are assertive and do is wonderful job making sure that any sort of goals or preferences that the couple had were being communicated. And I think that's really important for the mothers to feel confident that her partners got her back.
[00:15:55] They know they're working together as a team to ensure things happening as as they please, as they wanted it to happen.
[00:16:02] Yeah. Definitely. And one of the other things that came to mind I was thinking about this interview was one of the modules that you guys are offering. I think its called “Change of Preferences’. So I thought that that could be something that perhaps you could speak to, because obviously there might be a lot of people who, you know, had a particular support person in mind that they may now not be able to have in addition to their partner. And, you know, I thought I think this that one is definitely around. Maybe we can have a C-section and you weren't planning to. But I feel like there will be a lot of tools in there around. How can I cope with the fact that the situation that I thought was going to happen now isn’t available?
[00:16:42] Yeah. So the great thing about the program is we say, you know, parents attend the course, you know, during 20 or 30 odd weeks, do your preparation. But we know that sometimes in the lead up to a birth or there might be medical circumstances that arise. So the wonderful thing is that we can do a little add on and it is a change of circumstances. It's an online program that parents can really direct all these tools I've learnt to help with a planned cesarean birth. So I think the great thing is that, you know, we're planning for, you know, parents are preparing themselves for a calm natural birth, but they've also got the knowledge and tools to effectively deal with any special circumstances if they were to pop up. So showing that, you know, we're parents, we're understanding and we need to be flexible at times when there's many things that we can control in the birth process, especially how we respond. But we can't control absolutely everything. And it's good to have some consideration into a plan B or plan C if required for, you know, the best health for the baby and mum.
[00:17:47] Absolutely. And look, best emphasize according to plan and I certainly had to rely on those kind of resources. Leo, because I was thinking about, you know, having potentially having a homebirth. And then he was premature so I was then going into hospital, which I really didn't want to do. So I had to really draw on all of the tools that I've been learning throughout the hypnobirthing course. And I found that I was able to get myself back centred home in my body by drawing on tools that I'd been practicing and had really often done. Yes. That that's really, really great. Look, one of the other issues I'm thinking is something that's important to touch on is obviously people may have a little bit less access to free flowing income at the moment. And also obviously face to face courses and things like that are restricted. So you want some sort of really cost-effective ways that people can access the information and then are there still obviously still online?
[00:18:50].Yes. So there's lots of options. I suppose we do have there's the full online course. So this is a Hypnobubs program that that has been around for a little while now. But it's a few years old, certainly pre 2019. But this is a great starting point. So it's, you know, the basics courses $199, which is a really great way for parents to be able to learn the full program. It's a really great hypnobirthing course that you can do you’re your homes. This program they put together by amazing Melissa the founder and director of Birthing Australia. And this can be done at your own pace, comfort of your home. And it's yeah, there's lots of additional videos and resources there to call upon. So you can certainly start with that. But if you want more of that sort of interaction, the most personalised approach yet, we we're not doing it face to face at the moment, of course, but we are adjusting or adapting. I think that's important. What I'm doing all my courses now online, I think it's been three, four weeks now. I had two courses come through via Zoom and it's been a steep learning curve for me, but just loving the new format and the courses attended exactly the same way as a face to face. But just tuning in via home so video linkup you can ask questions. Yeah, we do practical stuff. We do relaxation, all the knowledge, the full content. You still get the same amazing folio of resources to that that I provide. So the full course just with a computer.
[00:20:33] That's awesome. Yeah. So great to hear that people can still access that specialised or additional support through this sort of face to face as well.
[00:20:42] So I should add if anyone listening and interest in the online course but want a little bit more of that personalised approach to then there's always an option for doing a private session with me via Zoom on top of that. So that's a nice way to get a little bit more with the online course.
[00:20:59] So, yeah. And you also have a little bit of the bit of promotion that you're going to offer just to make it a little bit more accessible.
[00:21:06] So yes, for the listeners, I'm really happy to take off another 10 percent. So actually it works out to be one hundred dollars off my standard price. So I think that's a nice opportunity to do now. So if you came to the website, do the booking and mention Lenny Rose and we just knock off that $100. It's easy. Thanks.
[00:21:32] So great. Well, thank you so much for your time, which is so precious as a busy mum, it's been a real pleasure. Thank you, and I hope you are reminded I just had such a profound experience working with you and with hypnobirthing.
[00:21:50] Thank you so much. What a wealth of knowledge Rosie is. And just a wealth of positive resources. And, you know, at this time in particular, I think we really need to arm ourselves with as much knowledge as possible and as much positivity as possible. And I really can't recommend highly enough to check out hypnobirthing and other similar programs. So it's definitely a lot of really great programs out there that offer a similar toolkit. Calm Birth is another one, and I know there's a lot of other different programs out there as well. So please do your research and find a way to help gain knowledge and through knowledge, some confidence in your body's innate ability to birth a baby. We were put on this planet to grow humans and to birth them and know we have everything that we need inside of us as well as Rosie said. So I hope that there is just a small amount of comfort for those expecting mamas out there. And if you would like to reach out to Rosie. Her details in the show notes. But you can find her on Instagram @geelongborn and her website is www.geelonborn.com. Mention Lenny Rose Active to get 10% off her program.
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